“Why Are YOU Conservative/Libertarian?”
Over on the Hello Kitty of Blogging, Refounders is asking the question.
My response:
It’s just common sense. Someone’s trying to build something, you help them or get out of the way. Someone’s trying to destroy something, you move to stop them. If something works well, you keep on doing it, and if it’s been given a few shots and has never panned out then you shelve it.
The reason this looks so much more complicated than it really is, is that it’s hard to demonstrate the true nature of something without contrasting it with something else. And when you place conservatism alongside liberalism, liberalism tends to want to talk about some things and not other things. There are many examples of what I’m talking about but I’ll just stick with “working families” as the best one. When liberals use this term, they don’t want you to take it literally, like “working families should keep more of their money” — you’re supposed to implicitly understand it means “people who make less than some amount, whether they work or not.” So you translate “working families keep more of their money” to mean “working families who make more than half a million a year, getting a tax cut” and of course while this logically qualifies, it is no longer within the class that the liberal is really trying to describe.
None of which comes as a shock to anybody. The problem is, though, that the liberal doesn’t clarify this point by using a more appropriate and accurate terminology — he clarifies it by steering the conversation, laying down rules that this thing over here can be discussed, and that thing over there cannot be. As this is accommodated, we all start using phrases and words to describe concepts quite different from what they are supposed to mean. Another of my favorites is “build a society that functions in the best interests of everyone” or “that works for everyone.” Again, the liberal will demand that some things be discussed, and other things will not be — so we end up using the word “everyone” to describe a concept that has very little to do with the real meaning of “everyone.”
I do not mean to blame the liberal for this. Quite the opposite. We have been like warm putty in the liberals’ hands, and as a direct result of this they have become…ah, what’s the word. Audacious. And so we all end up using lots of words apart from their intended purposes. Skeptic, diversity, egalitarian, science…
This makes it tough to define liberalism, which poses some challenges in defining conservatism. The biggest obstacle to this is encountered when the liberal is actually engaged; they think their cause is noble, and so if honesty would reverse course on their progress even a little tiny bit, I’ve found a lot of them will stoop to deception without a moment’s conscious thought. At the very least, they’ll change the subject, on a macro- or a micro-level.
That’s not to impugn their character by the way. It’s a human thing they’re doing. I think these are mostly decent people who have moved past that zone where you’re willing to entertain a discussion about what to do, and want to see the chosen strategy implemented. They’ve lost their curiosity and can’t get it back again.
Which, by itself, doesn’t bring them into conflict with conservatives. They enter into conflict with conservatives when their chosen approach is offensive to a) a reasoned analysis of the problem, and its true nature; and/or b) history.
Therefore, I submit all significant conservative/liberal dust-ups fall into this pattern: The liberal wants a certain thing done, because there is a “good” class of people and a “bad” class of people, and the solution should work for the good people and against the bad people. The conservative is left stammering something equivalent to “What in…how in blazes is that supposed to solve the prob-a-luhm???” For daring to utter so much as a peep of protest against the solution the liberal has figured out is obviously the right way to go, the liberal calls the conservative stupid.
Of course, often the conservative retaliates in kind, which is the wrong way to go. If that happens, then you just have two people who disagree with each other calling each other stupid. This is where the true distinction becomes not only lost, but buried deep down.
One way this happens most reliably by means of the switcheroo. This is where the conservative and liberal start out with a productive exchange of ideas, reaching the point where they successfully figure out their difference of opinion comes from a difference of understanding of the basic facts. And so they examine the facts — the liberal discovers his facts are in error, and the conservative’s facts seem to be in order. And so the liberal “switcheroos” the conversation to a pissing contest, of sorts, about which person is more decent. It’s a subconscious, face-saving sort of thing. As if to say “okay, you caught me being mistaken, but it doesn’t matter because I’m a better person than you are.” Again, this is human. It is hard-wired into us from centuries of agrarian living.
It would be nice if the liberal could be somehow persuaded to stay on topic, stay away from ad hominem, to use words for their intended meaning and for none other…unless properly qualifying them. To say, instead of “working families,” something more honest like “people who have a lifestyle like mine, and don’t make any more money than I do or have anything I don’t have…plus all the lazy people who think work is for suckers.”
Maybe if their drink was spiked with some kind of drug. A truth serum of sorts.
I think, then, such a discussion would not bring the two sides together. But it would prove my point. The liberal would say “I want taxes to go up on everyone who makes more money than I do and that will fix everything.” The conservative would then say “Who is going to start a business that might hire people, if there’s no profit involved in it?” And the liberal, rather than calling the conservative a dupe and a shill for “big business” and “evil corporations,” would instead do the sensible and honest thing and fess up: “Yeah, but it makes me feel good. I like the idea of people being taxed more when they aren’t exactly like me. Makes me happy.”
And the conservative would rightfully point out “but logic and history both affirm that you’d be wrecking the economy.” And rather than chasing off down some bunny trail that has to do with brandishing some “ism” as a cudgel, the liberal would simply say something like “I know, but it’s worth it to me. And I can’t handle being told no.”
Anyway, that’s what conservatism is; you can’t define it without defining liberalism, since conservatism is opposition to something. It opposes destruction and narcissism. It’s not about making liberals feel bad; it opposes finding solutions that are counterproductive, just because they happen to make liberals feel good.
Conservatism, contrary to popular belief, is about progress. It is about linear development. It does not advance wholesale abandonment of ideas that have failed. Instead, it proposes isolation of those ideas. They can be retired from production, while their most zealous and resourceful advocates tinker with them and find out what it takes to make them work.
Liberalism, on the other hand, advocates circular development. When an idea is found not to work, it is to be tried again, often without any significant change whatsoever from what was found to have failed.
Also, liberalism is about putting the new or unverified or previously-failed idea out on the production floor. Liberalism always insists that there be no way possible for anyone to get away from it.
This last one, I haven’t figured out. Do they consciously understand that, if the conservative idea were to be deployed into test sandbox A and the liberal idea were to be deployed into sandbox B, sandbox A would yield the more beneficial results and it would be embarrassing? Or is it just the political leaders who understand this, with the “man in the street” liberals just slavishly following along? I don’t know. But I do know this point of universal enactment, with complete eradication of any possible opt-out, is critically important to them. It is very often, across an abundance of unrelated issues, a non-negotiable item. And it is very rare that they are called upon to explain why this is.
Anyway, in the final analysis, conservatism is something adults do — something they must do, if they are to survive in any setting in which people take responsibility for the effects of what they do. It accepts ideas that work, rejects ideas that do not work, and among the ideas it rejects most quickly and forcefully is the idea that people need to be knocked down a few pegs when they happen to have achieved success.
Cross-posted at House of Eratosthenes.





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Thanks for making that point about conservatism being about progress. I don’t know why I just hadn’t said that before.
I hate being boxed into a corner by shrimps who want to make me out to be some sort of authoritarian or what not. Way back in grade school, I had it in me to stand up for those who got picked on. I don’t tolerate excuses for “why” someone must hurt another. It is what it is.
Seems to me conservatives are the “cowboys”, as pointed out in other blog spaces the last several years. We’re the ones willing to give for an actual cause, not an abstract “injustice.”
As you so eloquently lay it out, that part gets covered over with pseudo-intellectual claptrap.
One thing my friend DAS alerted me to — he was a lefty most of his life, till his thunderous conversion — is that for the Leftist EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL. I think of this when people say Republicans don’t fight hard enough, et cetera. That’s because conservatives tend to work and tend to their own. If, on the other hand, you believe in progress through Class Warfare, then taking a dump is political.
As for the people you mention, most of them just go along because . . . . . well. There isn’t much to ‘em.
Merry Christmas, Morgan.
Ultimately common sense forced me to become a libertarian.
I could spend my entire life, like the moonbats, trying to pass laws for every ridiculous thing from recycling, to outlawing transfat, to outlawing toys in happy meals. Libtards just love to tell everyone else how to live their lives.
Often the far right does the same thing. They tend to love the death penalty, use fear mongering to convey an eternal life of hell if you don’t comply with their belief system..they spend a lot of their time warring with moonbats..time better spent on solutions rather than labeling folks and calling them names.
Ultimately, common sense takes over. Trying to control others is insane and just not do-able. Realizing that government is never a solution immediately rules out the the statist left. Trying to control others through fear mongering is also a fail. Thus, libertarians get it. We aren’t about trying to control you. You can do any crazy shit you want as long as it doesn’t injure someone else. I like the position. Go ahead smoke weed, suck down all the trans fat ya want, maybe have an abortion or two…but respect my rights to politely disagree if I choose. You make your own decisions. We used to call that freedom and liberty, an archaic concept. What’s not to like?
All right! Meeting a divinity is cool. Especially at Christmas.
Have you always been a dick or did you go to grad school?
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I used to always consider myself a conservative, but the conservatism I refer to is the conservatism of my grandparents, not the breed of conservatism today. Modern conservatism, at least to me, has dropped patriotism for nationalism, while finding the government gun every bit a convenient tool to create Utopia as the left.
I live my life as a social conservative, but we part ways when it comes to the threat and use of government guns. Take marijuana, I cannot religiously, philosophically, or morally support putting a gun to someone’s head for smoking a joint. As if this threat against a fellow man will create a moral Utopia that God’s gift of freewill could not. It’s nothing more than man intervening where he believes God has failed. “F the golden rule. We got government guns!”
God never fails. Only man fails. Man cannot do what God does not. Potheads and alcoholics may indeed be moral failures, but it is an equal moral failure to bring out the guns and lock people in cages when they have neither broken someone’s leg or picked their pocket. Two wrongs can’t make a right. You cannot “fix” immorality by taking immoral actions.
Government, at least in theory, can help protect the natural rights of man (rights that exist prior to government, not because of it). But government cannot make man holy, rich, or safe. So while I may live my life socially conservative, my politics are strictly libertarian. Furthermore, I find libertarianism most consistent with the teachings of Christ. “Do unto others …” Christians don’t impel morality down the barrel of a gun. Not to mention it was the institution of government itself, that killed our Savior.
No apologies for the religious talk. If you don’t like it, deal with it. That’s how the world works. I’m libertarian because I don’t separate church and state. If it is immoral for you or me to do it, it is immoral when the state does it too. No government action is above morality, no matter the intentions (that pave the road to hell).
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